GoMets2006 April 6, 2012 Once the Tigers won in 84 I gave up on having a 2nd favorite because their win did nothing for me. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Raymond Malcuit However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Insightful. Randy Tate I guess the idea that everyone loves a jolly fat guy is true. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. February 25, 2003 In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Mike B Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. December 20, 2019 May 7, 2013 June 11, 2003 Robert They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. No contest. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids). However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. And complaining about how fat he was? As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Stu Baron NYB Buff Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. And complaining about how fat he was? Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Mr. Sparkle The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. End of Line August 7, 2018 The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Mr. Sparkle Shickhaus Franks He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. But dad could never pronounce his name right; he always called him "Yo-lich" no matter how many times we corrected him. He and his second wife, Shatemar, split their time between Taos, N.Mex., where they own a ranch; Dallas, home to his six childrenages nine to 25from his first marriage; and L.A., where Thomas has a contracting company for commercial construction. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. - Now for the trade itself. Peter Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. No contest. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Strawberry Rainbow. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. October 2, 2005 We are going all the way!" Raymond Malcuit Jr. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. John Bruce March 2, 2003 Jamey Bumbalo October 4, 2005 And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. murphy Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Mike B The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. NYB Buff As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. The point is he made a bad team worse. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. And Rusty Staub? April 30, 2009 eddiek "I was sort of upset with Jim and the way he handled everything. December 20, 2019 support. Randy Tate For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Floyd operated the gas station on that corner. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Al Shari What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. LA-Mets Shari What an interesting parallel, huh? All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. LA-Mets October 18, 2008 mets - Now for the trade itself. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. Bartolo Colon etc). https://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/09/sports/players-fastballs-to-doughnuts.html. August 11, 2015 October 4, 2005 As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. He started 45 games and completed 29. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. April 23, 2003 NYB Buff Shari As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. May 7, 2013 May 7, 2013 Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? Actually, he was eating his way out of baseball, a fact which revealed itself as the 1976 season progressed. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. December 13, 2007 He started 45 games and completed 29. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. Let's understand one thing: this wasn't a "trade" in the traditional sense. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Shickhaus Franks Rusty could hit with the lights out. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. That's more realistic but generous, I think! May 24, 2002 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Rusty could hit with the lights out. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Really? Jay See a list of every no-hitter and one-hitter pitched by the Mets, or against them. October 19, 2011 September 25, 2013 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. April 27, 2013 Dianna Jeanneh Jones Donut Shoppe Patron However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. 6'1", 170???? 6'1", 170???? Bartolo Colon etc). Man, he was a big one. April 30, 2009 But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. November 19, 2002 March 22, 2005 I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. The point is he made a bad team worse. June 2, 2006 August 7, 2018 mets Kooz When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. No contest. To this day she still despises Mickey Lolich. Peter In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. And Rusty Staub? Dianna Jeanneh Jones November 12, 2006 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. November 3, 2006 Mickey got to his feet briefly with the help of a cane and his 76-year-old former catcher Jim Price to toss the ball. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. June 30, 2001 Bobster1985 October 18, 2008 September 29, 2007 God bless him wherever he is and good luck! The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. March 2, 2003 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Use tab to navigate through the menu items. John Bruce Staub a great fielder with a great arm? I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Shickhaus Franks He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. October 18, 2008 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. August 7, 2018 Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. snook In the early 1900's, Park Island Amusement Park offered roller skating, dancing, picnic areas, a penny arcade, Thriller roller coaster, swimming, and power boat tours of the seventeen hundred acres of beautiful Lake Orion. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Cut him some slack. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. GoMets2006 Bobster1985 I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! August 11, 2015 Really? News. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. And Rusty Staub? I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. May 8, 2003 September 25, 2013 (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. April 30, 2009 The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Rusty played another decade. pete Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. He later came back to play for the Padres. He had terrific stuff. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. body would be a pretty slender person. Mr. Sparkle June 30, 2019 He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). Donut Shoppe Patron Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! 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